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Book Club Discussion: Are we more compassionate than God?


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In Chapter 11 of William P. Young’s “The Shack,” the story’s protagonist, Mackenzie, encounters a mysterious female figure who represents Wisdom, (no doubt inspired by Solomon’s personification of the virtue in the book of Proverbs.)

In talking with Wisdom about the senseless kidnapping of his daughter, Mackenzie shouts, “Yes! God is to blame!” To which Wisdom responds, “…If you are able to judge God so easily, then you certainly can judge the world.”

A fascinating conversation then unfolds:

Again she spoke with no emotion. “You must choose two of your children to spend eternity in God’s new heaven and new earth, but only two.”

“What?” he erupted, turning to her in disbelief.

“And you must choose three of your children to spend eternity in hell.”

Mack couldn’t believe what he was hearing and started to panic.

“Mackenzie.” Her voice now came as calm and wonderful as first he heard it. “I am only asking you to do something that you believe God does. He knows every person ever conceived, and he knows them so much deeper and clearer than you will ever know your own children. He loves each one according to his knowledge of the being of that son or daughter. You believe he will condemn most to an eternity of torment, away from His presence and apart from His love. Is that not true?”

“I suppose I do.  I’ve just never thought about it like this.” He was stumbling over his words in his shock. “I just assumed that somehow God could do that. Talking about hell was always sort of an abstract conversation, not about anyone that I truly…” Mack hesitated, realizing that what he was about to say would sound ugly, “not about anyone that I truly cared about.”

“So you suppose, then, that God does this easily, but you cannot? Come now, Mackenzie. Which three of your five children will you sentence to hell?”

Mackenzie, of course, cannot choose between his children, and instead asks, “Could I go instead? If you need someone to torture for eternity, I’ll go in their place. Would that work? Could I do that?” To which wisdom responds, “Now you sound like Jesus. You have judged well, Mackenzie. I am so proud of you!”

“But I haven’t judged anything.” Mack offered in confusion.

“Oh, but you have. You have judged them worthy of love, even if it costs you everything. That is how Jesus loves.”

Clearly, Young isn’t a big fan of limited atonement.

The story calls to mind a quote from Spencer Burke, who has said, “Most Christians have conceived of a God who is less forgiving and less compassionate than they are.”

Those who know me well know that for years I struggled with this issue, to the point that I almost left the Christian faith altogether. Anytime I questioned the idea of God damning the majority of the human population to hell, I was told that this subject was not negotiable, that God picks and chooses who He wants to save and we can’t do anything about it.

I’ve often been told that the reason I have a problem with the idea of people suffering eternally without the chance to be saved is because my sense of justice has been perverted by my sin nature, that it only seems unfair to me because “God’s ways are higher than our ways.” Ironically, I recently discovered that the context of that commonly-quoted verse is not about God’s mysterious wrath but about His mysterious mercy. The preceding verse declares, “He will have compassion on [the sinner]…for He will abundantly pardon,” and then continues, “for ‘My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,’ declares the Lord.” (Isaiah 55:7-8)

God does not relinquish His sovereignty by extending His abundant grace to sinners. His ways are higher than our ways in that He does not need to satisfy His vengeance in order to retain His sense of power and majesty. Jesus asks His disciples to love their enemies so that they may be “perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (Matthew 5:43-48) Perhaps we have created God in our image in that we expect His justice, like ours, to favor retribution over forgiveness. But based on all that I have since learned from Scripture and all that I have experienced in my life, I expect that it will be God’s mercy-not his wrath-that prevails and astounds us at judgment.


I've come to believe that His love is unlimited and eternal, and with Him there is indeed “abundant redemption.” (Psalm 130:7) When Jesus hung on the cross, when God had been insulted by mankind to the highest degree imaginable, Jesus said, “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.” Now, there is the mystery. There is the higher way. There is the thing that my perverted sense of justice can never comprehend.

It is not that God is less compassionate than us; He is more compassioante, more loving, more forgiving.

(More on how my thoughts in this area have changed in next week’s posts about religious pluralism.)

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Reply #1 on : Mon April 21, 2008, 11:33:17
To be clear, I'm not saying here that I don't believe in any form of hell or judgment. I'm just suggesting that perhaps we underestimate God's compassion and forgiveness. I don't claim to know how God judges good and evil, but I suspect that no one will face an eternity separated from Him without choosing to do so themselves.
Last Edit: April 21, 2008, 11:34:02 by Rachel Held Evans  
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I hope He's more compassionate than me!
Reply #2 on : Mon April 21, 2008, 22:39:47
Oh I hope that God is more compassionate and forgiving than me! It's hard at times for compassion not to be selective...and then, is it really true compassion??

And forgiving - if only I could reach anywhere close to His standards (there are somethings I think I've fogiven which so easily spring back up at times!)

I love Psalm 103 and how it talks about the forgiveness of God:
"He has not treated us as our sins deserve
or repaid us according to our misdeeds.
As the heavens tower high above the earth, so outstanding is his love towards those who fear him.
As far as the east is from the west, so far from us has he put away our offenses."

Oh to be able to forgive like that! As to what the implications of His forgivness and compassion are, well, I struggle with that too. I'm just glad I'm not the judge!
Jason Ingolfsland
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Interesting
Reply #3 on : Tue April 22, 2008, 11:10:00
I think there are a few problems I have with this analogy. First, the man is being asked to choose his "children" and obviously making the parallel that God also must choose his "Children". When in reality, we are not God's adopted children until after we have been saved by grace through Jesus Christ. Prior to this we would be objects of wrath (as Paul mentions in Romans) choosing and condemning ourselves because of our sinful nature. Second, the emotional connection one would get for condemning their children to hell is (I believe) putting God down to our own level (or making God much more Imminent than Transcendent). While God is merciful, compassionate, and loving, we cannot forget his wrath, justice, and jealousy. To do so would be to create some kind of Unitarian god that loves everyone and lets everyone go to Heaven. God
is love, and he has shown us that through his son, Christ Jesus.

I understand that maybe this comes off as "too harsh" or people cannot "live with a God like that", but then at the same time you are suppressing the true God and going and creating your own God.

I personally love God all the more in that while I was a sinner he had mercy and grace to forgive me by sending his son, Jesus. That makes the mercy and grace all the more, because he didn't have to save anyone...we were all at fault.

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